Dan Petriw: Offseason Position Report Part 1, The Goalies

I agree halak is the guy to go but what they can get for him with surgery remains to be seen. I'd be ok with a 3rd round pick as I'm more interested in his cap space so it can be used towards a free agent signing.

I agree halak is the guy to go but what they can get for him with surgery remains to be seen. I'd be ok with a 3rd round pick as I'm more interested in his cap space so it can be used towards a free agent signing.
- Upstate_isles

Have to think a deal might have to wait until camp after Halak's surgery? I'd take a 3rd rounder for Halak and a 4th for Bailey.

I agree halak is the guy to go but what they can get for him with surgery remains to be seen. I'd be ok with a 3rd round pick as I'm more interested in his cap space so it can be used towards a free agent signing.
- Upstate_isles

Honestly, I don't really care what they get for him. I'd retain $1M if it meant getting a 3rd rounder, but I'd just as soon retain nothing and flip him for a 4th or 5th. He's only getting less healthy and that $4.5M (or $3.5M) is better spent elsewhere.

Halak is totally tradable, as a real good starting caliber goaltender with a $4.5M cap hit for two years. You'll definitely find a taker for Halak if all you're expecting back is a mid-round pick.

The issue that the Isles face is what to do with Greiss. Yes, he'll be on the team no question next season, but if you extend him, for how much and how long? If Greiss wants Halak $$ for three or four more years, you have to have pause, because we don't know if he can handle 50-60 games/season as the #1 guy. Healthy (admittedly a big "if") Halak can handle that load. Plus, you have flexibility with him only being signed for two more years. With Sorokin and Berube, not to mention other prospects, the Isles may not want to commit to Greiss for another four years or so.

My guess is Halak is moved, the Isles find a way to extend Greiss for another two-three years and Berube get the nod for the back up. Halak voicing his displeasure with the 3-goalie system (which many people would agree with) likely didn't help his cause for staying.

Halak is totally tradable, as a real good starting caliber goaltender with a $4.5M cap hit for two years. You'll definitely find a taker for Halak if all you're expecting back is a mid-round pick.

The issue that the Isles face is what to do with Greiss. Yes, he'll be on the team no question next season, but if you extend him, for how much and how long? If Greiss wants Halak $$ for three or four more years, you have to have pause, because we don't know if he can handle 50-60 games/season as the #1 guy. Healthy (admittedly a big "if") Halak can handle that load. Plus, you have flexibility with him only being signed for two more years. With Sorokin and Berube, not to mention other prospects, the Isles may not want to commit to Greiss for another four years or so.

My guess is Halak is moved, the Isles find a way to extend Greiss for another two-three years and Berube get the nod for the back up. Halak voicing his displeasure with the 3-goalie system (which many people would agree with) likely didn't help his cause for staying.
- Jethro09

Keep in mind that if-and-when Halak is traded, we will need to expose a goaltender to the expansion draft, which will presumably be in 2017. They haven't really defined the rule pertaining to pending UFA's, if the expansion draft is held prior to July 1. If that were the case and it were allowed, Greiss would still technically still be property of the Islanders prior to July 1st and could be exposed to the draft.

So, hypothetically, if the Islanders are really high on Berube after next year and think that he is capable of assuming the starter role...Greiss wouldn't need to be extended and could be exposed to the expansion draft. If the Isles don't like what they see in Berube when he sees more action this year, they could leave him exposed and work on an extension with Greiss. Or trade him, protect Greiss and force an expansion team to have to choose from one of Gibson, Williams, McAdam...who nobody wants.

Have to think a deal might have to wait until camp after Halak's surgery? I'd take a 3rd rounder for Halak and a 4th for Bailey.
- ses111

I would take a 7th rounder if you could package them BOTH!

Chad Johnson will be out there as a UFA.

Halak is totally tradable, as a real good starting caliber goaltender with a $4.5M cap hit for two years. You'll definitely find a taker for Halak if all you're expecting back is a mid-round pick.

The issue that the Isles face is what to do with Greiss. Yes, he'll be on the team no question next season, but if you extend him, for how much and how long? If Greiss wants Halak $$ for three or four more years, you have to have pause, because we don't know if he can handle 50-60 games/season as the #1 guy. Healthy (admittedly a big "if") Halak can handle that load. Plus, you have flexibility with him only being signed for two more years. With Sorokin and Berube, not to mention other prospects, the Isles may not want to commit to Greiss for another four years or so.

My guess is Halak is moved, the Isles find a way to extend Greiss for another two-three years and Berube get the nod for the back up. Halak voicing his displeasure with the 3-goalie system (which many people would agree with) likely didn't help his cause for staying.
- Jethro09

You don't call out Garth or Cappy and expect to Survive on the Island.

In concept I agree with your assessment.. that said I don't think you move Halak until you have a reason to need Cap space. If you end up with a sht ton of Cap space and don't get any of the UFA's you want to sign with it then you just shipped a really good Goaltender who friggin OWNS the Rangers. If you are over the cap b/c of signs.. make the trade. If not.. keep Halak and Greiss.

Trade Bailey no matter what.

I know the Russian kid is a great prospect. Illya Sorkin (sp?). Who else do we have in the pipes for between the pipes? Is Koskinen still an Islander's asset? b/c He looked great in IIFA's.

Edit: according to Isles Website they still have Koskinen in their system. That is another guy who makes it interesting.

http://islanders.nhl.com/.../roster.htm?type=prospect

Chad Johnson will be out there as a UFA.
- stashu

You can keep him

What teams are realistically willing to add 4.5m in cap for a goalie next year? Calgary, Carolina, Buffalo... maybe Winnipeg? Only a handful really. So what you can get in return for Halak will be pretty drastically effected by whether or not teams end up trying to move guys like Fleury & Crawford.

Halak is totally tradable, as a real good starting caliber goaltender with a $4.5M cap hit for two years. You'll definitely find a taker for Halak if all you're expecting back is a mid-round pick.

The issue that the Isles face is what to do with Greiss. Yes, he'll be on the team no question next season, but if you extend him, for how much and how long? If Greiss wants Halak $$ for three or four more years, you have to have pause, because we don't know if he can handle 50-60 games/season as the #1 guy. Healthy (admittedly a big "if") Halak can handle that load. Plus, you have flexibility with him only being signed for two more years. With Sorokin and Berube, not to mention other prospects, the Isles may not want to commit to Greiss for another four years or so.

My guess is Halak is moved, the Isles find a way to extend Greiss for another two-three years and Berube get the nod for the back up. Halak voicing his displeasure with the 3-goalie system (which many people would agree with) likely didn't help his cause for staying.
- Jethro09

Tell Jaro to stay Healthy or STFU. I would keep the 3 goalies (unless u need cap). then you can expose JF to expansion draft.

In concept I agree with your assessment.. that said I don't think you move Halak until you have a reason to need Cap space. If you end up with a sht ton of Cap space and don't get any of the UFA's you want to sign with it then you just shipped a really good Goaltender who friggin OWNS the Rangers. If you are over the cap b/c of signs.. make the trade. If not.. keep Halak and Greiss.

Trade Bailey no matter what.

I know the Russian kid is a great prospect. Illya Sorkin (sp?). Who else do we have in the pipes for between the pipes? Is Koskinen still an Islander's asset? b/c He looked great in IIFA's.
- niteislander

Owning the Rangers isn't a reason to keep someone around. You can't make roster moves based on 4-5 games per season. Halak is a quality goaltender but he is injury prone and the amount of space he eats on the cap would be much better spent paying for a winger for Johnny and middle-6 scoring depth at forward.

Sorokin and Soderstrom are two really top-notch goaltending prospects. Sorokin was easily the best goaltender in the KHL last year and finished the season with an utterly-absurd .953 sv% and 1.06 GAA. Soderstrom had a great showing at the WJC's but hasn't seen any action in Sweden's top-tier league.

I'm pretty sure we still own Koskinen's NHL rights, but I'm not positive.

What teams are realistically willing to add 4.5m in cap for a goalie next year? Calgary, Carolina, Buffalo... maybe Winnipeg? Only a handful really. So what you can get in return for Halak will be pretty drastically effected by whether or not teams end up trying to move guys like Fleury & Crawford.
- Antilles

I don't realistically see BUF wanting to add that much money for another goaltender when they already invested a 1st rounder in Lehner.

If ARI isn't ready to hand the keys over to Domingue I could see them considering Halak a viable option that isn't as expensive (in acquisition cost and salary) as some of the others.

Halak seems like a perfect candidate for a trade with a conditional pick. Like, Halak to Flames for a 4th round pick that becomes a 3rd round pick if he plays 50 games and becomes a 2nd round pick if he plays 50 games and they make playoffs.

Owning the Rangers isn't a reason to keep someone around. You can't make roster moves based on 4-5 games per season. Halak is a quality goaltender but he is injury prone and the amount of space he eats on the cap would be much better spent paying for a winger for Johnny and middle-6 scoring depth at forward.

Sorokin and Soderstrom are two really top-notch goaltending prospects. Sorokin was easily the best goaltender in the KHL last year and finished the season with an utterly-absurd .953 sv% and 1.06 GAA. Soderstrom had a great showing at the WJC's but hasn't seen any action in Sweden's top-tier league.

I'm pretty sure we still own Koskinen's NHL rights, but I'm not positive.
- eichiefs9

Owning the Rangers isn't a reason to keep someone around. You can't make roster moves based on 4-5 games per season. Halak is a quality goaltender but he is injury prone and the amount of space he eats on the cap would be much better spent paying for a winger for Johnny and middle-6 scoring depth at forward.

Sorokin and Soderstrom are two really top-notch goaltending prospects. Sorokin was easily the best goaltender in the KHL last year and finished the season with an utterly-absurd .953 sv% and 1.06 GAA. Soderstrom had a great showing at the WJC's but hasn't seen any action in Sweden's top-tier league.

I'm pretty sure we still own Koskinen's NHL rights, but I'm not positive.
- eichiefs9

Yes it is, please keep players who only do well against the Rangers. Sounds like a bold strategy, Cotton.

Yes it is, please keep players who only do well against the Rangers. Sounds like a bold strategy, Cotton.
- mdw7413

Pepper Butchy needs a new pair of shorts!

Pepper Butchy needs a new pair of shorts!
- eichiefs9

Maybe its because I live in another state so I missed the whole Rangers/Islanders fans thing, but damn, it seems some fans are more obsessed about beating the Rangers(or vice versa) than anything else.

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Sorkin has 1 year left and soderstrom has 2 so maybe by the time of the expansion draft one of those two are ready to step in or berube is ready to start and greiss is shipped off or left exposed for the expansion draft. Both keepers are supposed to have a high upside and it seems to be an area of strength for the organization. Also anyone else think del colle is the prospect they package if they include one? Seems like barzal is their #1 and beauvillier #2

Owning the Rangers isn't a reason to keep someone around. You can't make roster moves based on 4-5 games per season. Halak is a quality goaltender but he is injury prone and the amount of space he eats on the cap would be much better spent paying for a winger for Johnny and middle-6 scoring depth at forward.

Sorokin and Soderstrom are two really top-notch goaltending prospects. Sorokin was easily the best goaltender in the KHL last year and finished the season with an utterly-absurd .953 sv% and 1.06 GAA. Soderstrom had a great showing at the WJC's but hasn't seen any action in Sweden's top-tier league.

I'm pretty sure we still own Koskinen's NHL rights, but I'm not positive.
- eichiefs9

My point is in big games he has shown throughout his career to be pretty friggin good. He is not just an OK goalie either when Healthy. He is top 10 Elite.

Tell Jaro to stay Healthy or STFU. I would keep the 3 goalies (unless u need cap). then you can expose JF to expansion draft.
- niteislander

Have two good goal tenders in Halak and Greiss and cap hit is acceptable. Would not mess with that just yet. Wait till next year's trade deadline and the goalie picture will be more predictable.
Goaltending is not the team weakness.

What teams are realistically willing to add 4.5m in cap for a goalie next year? Calgary, Carolina, Buffalo... maybe Winnipeg? Only a handful really. So what you can get in return for Halak will be pretty drastically effected by whether or not teams end up trying to move guys like Fleury & Crawford.
- Antilles

No to Buffalo, they've already had Halak and never played him. Plus they traded a 1st for what they hope will turn out to be their #1 going forward, no need to handcuff the payroll with Halak

Sorkin has 1 year left and soderstrom has 2 so maybe by the time of the expansion draft one of those two are ready to step in or berube is ready to start and greiss is shipped off or left exposed for the expansion draft. Both keepers are supposed to have a high upside and it seems to be an area of strength for the organization. Also anyone else think del colle is the prospect they package if they include one? Seems like barzal is their #1 and beauvillier #2
- Upstate_isles

Dal Colle seems like the likely guy to get moved, if they were going to move one of them. He had a bit of an up-and-down season, but was still the highest pick of the 4. I haven't really soured on him, but I never love the pick either. Ho Sang has too many question marks to get fair value for. Barzal is the undisputed #1. I honestly think #2 could be a toss-up between Dal Colle and Beauvillier.